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Arlo
I think Thunderclap from "The Good Dinosaur" could've also easily been one of the best Pixar villains of all time, if only we got to spend a little more screen time with him. 
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Vellerie
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And that brings me to MU. Randy ' s character in MU is also wildly debated. Obviously he starts out as a friendly, fearful nerd who wants to make friends--and keeps failing at it. One thing that's debated: Were Mike and Randy true friends? And who's fault was it that their friendship drifted apart? I say both of them had a part to play in that; Mike was too focused on his own dream to become a scarer (nothing wrong with that, as you go to college for your future) to really build up that relationship, and Randy was willing to leave him in favor of the shallow popular kids who didn't even like him. The only times you see Randy and Mike hanging out have to do with Randy helping Mike study, Randy inviting Mike out and Mike declining, and them at the football game with Mike with his nose in the book and Randy looking frightened. Randy also tries to divert Mike from conflicts with Sulley, showing that he did care. Even when Randy was with ROR, he didn't seem too happy--he did participate in the prank, but when Johnny and everyone else was laughing about it afterwards, Randy seemed either unhappy or neutral.

There's just so much that's subject to interpretation in MU. But anyway, these are the reasons I don't put him in the top villain tier with my other choices.


So I rewatched MU the other day and realized that this assessment is wrong: when Johnny is making fun of Oozma Kappa over the cute-ma kappa charade, I heard Buscemi's voice chuckling in the background, and though it's hard to tell because Randy's face was cut off, he moved as though he were laughing along with everyone else.
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WarrenJB
Agreed with Vellerie's (and Vellerie's brother's) analyses of Muntz, Lotso and Randall! With Lotso I'd agree with the second opinion: he's a well-meaning extremist who can't really see how his tight grip hurts other toys. Or maybe he can... to the comments about his totalitarian rule, I'd add that his anger of abandonment and utter fear of being abandoned or thrown out again, caused him to take control and form a heirarchy as a kind of protective buffer around himself. (Toys at the bottom of the pyramid are sacrificed to the destructive kids of the caterpillar room, and all that) Even to the point of setting himself up as a kind of substitute owner figure. Lotso was at the centre of a personality cult, surrounded by a 'cinder block curtain', and so on...

After (or just within) MU, Randall's probably one of Pixar's most tragic characters. His very first appearance when Mike opens the dorm-room door is played for laughs ("Ha ha, you thought it was Sully! But it's Randall! And he's nice!") and with the prequel thing you know how it turns out, but you still have to watch it play out over the course of the film. Unlike Muntz, Lotso or Syndrome, who get short introductions or flashbacks to explain how they weren't always bad, then spend most of the movie trying to kill or brutalise our heroes. You see Randy slipping, and when he utters the line "that's the last time I lose to you, Sssullivan", he turns from Randy to Randall. It's like, 'he's gone. We've lost him...'

Syndrome: he's a blinkered fanboy without enough social graces to respect personal boundaries or enough wit to know he's a minor stumbling into and destabilising highly dangerous situations. For the short, sharp shock he's given because of that, he decides it's Mr. Incredible's fault, and devotes his life to arms dealing, murdering heroes, and endangering the public for his own ego and adulation. Nail 'im to the wall. He comes across as worse than even Hopper's simple greed and extortion.
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CanadianPixarFan
I think that Syndrome is by far the best Pixar villain and possibly one of my favourite Villians of all. So many villains are extremely one-dimensional and just want to say, "I'm going to rule the world". And often all I can think of is "Why?" ruling the world would be a terrible job I feel. Syndrome on the other hand, makes sense. I love how they reverse the typical superhero movie plot, usually we get a hero's origin story and the villain just casually comes into play. But The Incredibles completely reverses that, where we fully see syndrome fall into evil, but the super-heroes are all there from the beginning.
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Luis504170

All of this speculation has gotten me thinking about how close we actually are from hearing real news about Incredibles 2. 

WE WILL DEFINETLY 
1) Get the plot, characters, concept art, and some scene descriptions by the end of August when D23 expo panel happens. (part of me hopes we get some story reveals before this)
2) Get the first teaser trailer on November in front of Coco

ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!

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Vellerie
Luis504170 wrote:

All of this speculation has gotten me thinking about how close we actually are from hearing real news about Incredibles 2. 

WE WILL DEFINETLY 
1) Get the plot, characters, concept art, and some scene descriptions by the end of August when D23 expo panel happens. (part of me hopes we get some story reveals before this)
2) Get the first teaser trailer on November in front of Coco

ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!



I know, so exciting! Incredibles 2 and Coco both have my hype. And I'm cautiously interested in TS4, but we still have some time before that.

And the Incredibles 2 In all probability means a new Pixar villain to add to this list, how exciting.
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Wee Dingwall
Just watched MU and I have to say that Hardscrabble is the worst.  No depth, only says nasty things to our protagonist with the clichéd 'you surprised me moment at the end of the film.  Ego did it way better.  He was interesting.  And Ego's job was to criticise.  

Hardscrabble is the most unrealistic part of the film.  She's meant to be in a position of responsibility; instead she behaves downright awfully to Mike and hardly acknowledges the fact that they broke the scare record at the end of the film (which is a big issue for me; their achievement should be the headline on that newspaper).  So I think that Pixar's unusual clumsiness at handling the character is a big disappointment.  There was so much potential - they had Helen Mirren on board (I mean, Helen Mirren) so it's a real shame.
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Who is the best Villain ever in all Pixar Films?

<Pixar Post Edit - This topic was started on another page, but we merged it here. The good news is that it's been a while since this was last explored and there are some new "baddies" to add to the list". Have your thoughts or feeling changed since you last explored the topic?>
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