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Sally
I want to bring this up because I thought of it ever since the whole Bing Bong/Dream Productions scene:

If Riley forgot Bing Bong, how did the other emotions see him, and how they forgot about him too as Riley grew up, I know the emotions live inside her mind, but if Joy remembers him prior to this, what about the others?
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Gray Catbird
Bing Bong was in effect almost forgotten, but his memory still existed somewhere in Riley's mind since he wasn't in the dump. I think that often happens in real life, things that you suddenly remember after having never thought about it for years. Perhaps that's why it was still possible for them to remember him.
Note also that if dreams in Inside Out work like in real life, chances are they almost instantly forgot the dream and therefore Bing Bong's quick appearance.
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PixarDude
Sally wrote:
I know the emotions live inside her mind, but if Joy remembers him prior to this, what about the others?


Fear remembers Bing Bong because in the Dream Productions scene, Bing Bong says "Hi Riley!" (or something like that) and Fear says "Bing Bong?"
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Luis504170
UntoldStories113 wrote:

I thought the relatability thing was obvious? Sure, there are probably very few people who've had the exact same thing happen to them that Riley went through - but haven't we all felt ourselves change at some point? Haven't you ever looked back on something in melancholy and asked yourselves, "wow, I used to do that all the time, I used to love it, it was everything to me, why don't I do it anymore?" Haven't you ever missed a part of yourselves that's now gone?



I second this!! It's not going through the same situation of the main character which defines a relatable story. It's the way they are affected, the stuff they leave behind, the way they feel, the way they think that makes it relatable. 


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mac95

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I thought the relatability thing was obvious? Sure, there are probably very few people who've had the exact same thing happen to them that Riley went through - but haven't we all felt ourselves change at some point? Haven't you ever looked back on something in melancholy and asked yourselves, "wow, I used to do that all the time, I used to love it, it was everything to me, why don't I do it anymore?" Haven't you ever missed a part of yourselves that's now gone?


When I was talking about relatability, I was referring to her only memories being angry, disgusted, and fearful for a short time with no happy or sad memories/experiences. Everyone growing up has had a tantrum or mood swing, but what happened with Riley was one of a kind. And then once Joy and Sadness get back to Headquarters, things aren't that different from the way they were before. Sure there are the mixed memories, but Joy says, "Riley is twelve now... What could go wrong?" implying that things are good and better now. I know that there is some teasing for her emotional teenage years in there, but as of now, she is back to normal.

As far as something I used to do that was everything to me, I have not. Have I felt sentimental and nostalgic about things? Of course, loads of times. But I never had a hobby that I forgot about. What is yours?

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UntoldStories113
I actually wasn't referring to Joy and Sadness being gone, but to the scene where all of Riley's Core Memories get sad and then she replaces them for new ones. That is the one thing that I'd say almost everyone can relate to. And maybe it even explains why many small kids said they didn't like the movie - they couldn't relate to growing up.

mac95 wrote:
but Joy says, "Riley is twelve now... What could go wrong?" implying that things are good and better now.

Since that's a Book End and Joy said that about being eleven, too, I saw it as either her still being naive to some degree or her poking fun at her own naivety.

mac95 wrote:
As far as something I used to do that was everything to me, I have not. Have I felt sentimental and nostalgic about things? Of course, loads of times. But I never had a hobby that I forgot about. What is yours?

This is getting personal. [wink]
But okay, you asked. I wasn't necessarily talking about hobbies; Core Memories are also about character traits (Honesty and Goofball Island) or relationships (Friendship and Family Island). And probably other things, too.
In my case, for example, I'm sometimes pretty nostalgic about barely remembering the second dog my family had. I know I loved him dearly, and I know he had many little quirks that we used to gush about, but all I can remember today is that he created a furrow in our lawn by always running in the exact same circle and that he always took his food to a specific spot in the kitchen before he ate it. When I went to Tokyo for half a year, I was really looking forward to getting greeted by him when I got back because I knew he was always ecstatic about that kind of thing, but then he was hit by a car and I never got to see him again. And today, I just wish we'd taken a video of him at some point; I had so many great moments with him, but there's almost nothing left of them in my memory.
...okay, that got dark. My apologies. Do we want a thread on this? I'd be curious to hear other people's accounts about growing up.
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mac95
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But okay, you asked. I wasn't necessarily talking about hobbies; Core Memories are also about character traits (Honesty and Goofball Island) or relationships (Friendship and Family Island). And probably other things, too.


Oh, OK. You kept using "it", so I assumed you were talking about hobbies and passions, hockey in Riley's case.

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...okay, that got dark. My apologies. Do we want a thread on this? I'd be curious to hear other people's accounts about growing up.


I think a thread on this would be great! You can start it up once you read this. Plus, it would help me process the film and its message more. Man, this movie gets so complex... [fear_80_anim_gif_zpsh65np7mc]
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UntoldStories113
mac95 wrote:
Oh, OK. You kept using "it", so I assumed you were talking about hobbies and passions, hockey in Riley's case.

Sorry for being confusing, then. [smile]
And no, not necessarily. For the record, one of the lines that stayed with me the most about this movie was Joy talking about how Riley "used to stick her tongue out when she was coloring." That was just so poignant, and impressively demonstrated to what degree Joy was aware of Riley's little quirks.

mac95 wrote:
I think a thread on this would be great! You can start it up once you read this. Plus, it would help me process the film and its message more. Man, this movie gets so complex...

Done. [wink]
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Gray Catbird
I have to say I found the film to be extremely relatable. 
There have been times where I had something like what is shown in the film, like a latent sadness I tried to repress, where I was suddenly more gloomy and reacting with much more violence and angst to things. I've also connected with the idea that when you face traumatic events you are ready to give up things that you loved or that mattered the most to you as a child (which is a reason why I've been especially touched by Goofball Island's destruction; there are loads of stuff I stopped doing when I became more socially aware). 

There's undeniably a certain simplification in Inside Out that I think is necessary to tell an effective story; we probably never completely lose joy and sadness for two complete days, and it would probably take more than one event to bring down a whole aspect of your personality; but I think the ideas are there.

And beyond how the events unfold, I think this film makes a very thoughtful reflection on how we relate to our emotions and their value in our life, which I think is something anyone can relate to.
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mac95
I really need to clear up something I totally miss-worded earlier. I found the film overall relatable, but what Riley went through just didn't click with me as I thought it would. I actually agree with pretty much everything you said, Gray Catbird.
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